Weight Watchers Buttery Spread

Weight Watchers Buttery Spread

Verywell / Debbie Burkhoff

As one of the most popular diet plans over the last 50 years, Weight Watchers—or as it's currently named, WW—has certainly helped some people achieve weight loss success. On this plan, foods are assigned different SmartPoints values, and you're given a daily allowance of SmartPoints to eat. You'll need to track your food every day to ensure you stay within your target range to support your weight loss goals.

Weight Watchers has evolved many times since its inception, and the current plan does offer advantages compared to those of the past. Point values of foods are based on more than just calories, and the company has made a targeted effort to shift their focus from pounds shed to overall wellness. However, some people may still get caught up in focusing on numbers and restriction, rather than embracing healthy behaviors.

What Experts Say

"The WW diet assigns points to foods and exercise and requires a daily tally/balance of points. Many experts agree that this can lead to seeing exercise as a way to compensate for food and that tallying points, just like calories, could create a focus on numbers rather than health." – Willow Jarosh, MS, RD

Background

History of the Company

Weight Watchers started in the early 1960's. Founder Jean Nidetch invited a group of friends to her New York City home to discuss the best methods for losing weight. That small group meeting evolved into a core part of past and current Weight Watchers programs.

One of her early group participants, Al Lippert, encouraged Nidetch to incorporate Weight Watchers in 1963. Lippert helped Nidetch to do so, and the business expanded rapidly. They became quite wealthy when the company went public in 1968.

Weight Watchers was later sold to the H.J Heinz company – yes, the ketchup manufacturer – in 1978 for $71 million. Heinz later sold the business to a European investment firm in 1999, where it was put up again for public offering in 2001.

In 2018, the company shifted it's focus from weight to wellness, re-branding as WW International, Inc, with the tagline "Wellness that Works."

Evolution of the Diet Plan

While Weight Watchers is known for its point system today, the original 1960s program was a fairly simple list of restricted, limited, and unlimited foods. Most of the diet's principles were those Nidetch had picked up in a program at an obesity clinic at the NYC Department of Health.

The rules of the original program were far stricter than the current program. For example, if you were following Weight Watchers in the 1960s you'd need to...

• Eat fish at least five times per week
• Only eat eggs a few times a week, and only at breakfast
• Eat 3-5 servings of permitted fruit each day, but avoid "forbidden fruits" (like bananas, watermelon, and cherries)
• Keep some foods off-limits, like bacon, avocado, peanut butter, and yogurt

Throughout the 1970s and 1980s, variations on this exchange style meal plan were adopted. It wasn't until 1997 that points were introduced, and that has evolved many times since. Here's a list of the different incarnations of points-based programs:

• 1997 – 1-2-3 Success Program, the first points system which assigned values to foods based primarily on their caloric value
• 2000 – Winning Points, a more individualized points system that did not have any food exclusions and included adjustments for physical activity
• 2004 – Turnaround Program, which gave participants a choice of either the Core Program (a non-points based plan with a list of compliant vs. non-compliant foods) or The Flex Plan (a points plan that allowed eating anything as long as it was within the daily points allowance)
• 2008 – Momentum Plan, a crossover between the Core and Flex plans that was point-based but emphasized a list of filling foods
• 2010 – PointsPlus Plan, an overhaul of all the previous plans. This attempted to address the fact that although an apple and a handful of potato chips may have the same calories, they are not nutritionally equal. The new points system took into account factors like fat, protein, carbohydrates, and fiber.
• 2015 – SmartPoints Plan, an update to PointsPlus that also emphasized exercise with FitPoints
• 2017 – WW Freestyle, a plan that expands SmartPoints zero point foods (which don't need to be tracked) to include things like lean proteins. This is the plan currently used today.

How It Works

The current WW Freestyle plan is based on their SmartPoints system. Every food has an assigned number of points, and you'll receive a daily budget of SmartPoints to use throughout the day.

There is also a weekly cushion of extra SmartPoints which can be used to eat a little extra each day or can be allocated towards a special event that week that's point-heavy (like a friend's BBQ or a wedding).

There are no off-limit foods on WW, but the plan does encourage participants to eat nutritious options by steering you towards zero point foods. There are more than 200 of these foods, meaning you can enjoy them without tracking or measuring. These include many fruits, vegetables, and lean proteins.

Weight Watchers offers three different tiers of membership to help you assess and track your SmartPoints:

• Digital Plan – Includes use of the WW app to track food and activity, access to the community, and 24/7 online chat support
• Workshop Plan – Includes everything in the digital plan, plus weekly group workshops with guidance from wellness coaches
• Coaching Plan – Includes everything in the other two plans, plus access to one-on-one coaching support with unlimited phone calls

Pros and Cons

Weight Watchers is very appealing for many people looking to eat better since all foods can fit in the diet. It offers flexibility to enjoy meals at a special event or while eating out (provided it fits in your points allowance) and promotes many nutritious options in the zero points category. It's also been shown in research to support weight loss and tied to a reduction in diabetes risk among those with pre-diabetes.

However, there are also some downsides to the program. The focus on counting points can be cumbersome and feel restrictive for some people. It can also create an unhealthy mindset around food, encouraging people to skip meals so they can "save up" points for an unhealthy meal later. And though it's not expensive on a weekly basis, the cost can add up depending on how long you feel you need to stay on the program to reach your goals.

Common Myths and Questions

Even though Weight Watchers has been around many years, the continued evolution of the program has led to confusion about some parts of the diet.

Myth: Weight Watchers is a great way to lose weight quickly.

Fact: The goal of the program is slower, sustainable weight loss. It recommends losing no more than two pounds per week (after the first three weeks).

Myth: Once you hit your weight loss goal, you no longer need to follow the diet.

Fact: Many people fall into the cycle of losing weight on the program, then "going off" the program, and gaining it back. Unfortunately, this is very common with any diet plan.

This doesn't mean you have to pay for Weight Watchers (or any other diet program) for life. But if you have a certain weight that you are striving to maintain, you'll need to stick with the core tenants of healthy eating and caloric balance for life. On the flip side, you can choose to let go of the focus on weight and simply enjoy a healthy relationship with nutritious foods.

Myth: You have to go to group meetings to be part of Weight Watchers.

Fact: Weight Watchers offers several tiers of membership, and one is a digital-only option. With this plan, you participate in the program on your own from the comfort of your home.

Myth: At Weight Watchers meetings, you have to weigh in publicly.

Fact: You do not. The meetings are not designed as a method of public humiliation but rather for accountability. Your weigh-ins are done in private with only the group facilitator, and then you'll be able to discuss tips for sticking with your goals in the larger group setting.

Myth: You have to eat pre-packaged frozen meals.

Fact: While there are frozen meals that are branded with SmartPoints values, you do not have to eat these. You can eat any food from the grocery store, restaurant, farmers market, etc. You only have to worry about staying within your points range.

Myth: Weight Watchers is only for women.

Fact: Though Weight Watchers has traditionally attracted female participants, both men and women are welcome to use the program.

How It Compares

Though there are some slight differences, Weight Watchers is very similar to the USDA recommendations for a healthy balanced diet. For example, the program emphasizes fruits and vegetables as zero-point foods—in line with how the USDA recommendations encourage you to make half your plate fruits and vegetables. Or, consider that foods which are less nutritious (for example, those with lots of added sugars and unhealthy fats) tend to be very high in SmartPoints. This discourages users from eating them regularly, similar to how USDA recommendations advise against frequent consumption.

One slight difference though—while the USDA gives guidance based on calories or servings, Weight Watchers uses its proprietary points system.

Weight Watchers also has some similarities to other popular diets but varies in its effectiveness and sustainability. Here's a quick overview of how it compares:

• Jenny Craig – Some research has suggested Jenny Craig may lead to more weight loss than Weight Watchers. However, Jenny Craig relies on pre-packaged meals which may be unsustainable for long term compliance.
• Nutrisystem – Like Jenny Craig, Nutrisystem is another packaged meal company. While it may be convenient, it lacks the lifestyle and meal preparation skills that are encouraged within the Weight Watchers program.
• Low-Calorie Diet – Both Weight Watchers and a low-calorie diet require tracking food and can lead to weight loss. However, strict low-calorie diets tend to be far more restrictive than Weight Watchers.
• Optavia Diet – The Optavia Diet ranks as the number two best diet for fast weight loss (tied with Atkins, keto, and Weight Watchers) due to lower caloric intake.

A Word From Verywell

If you're trying to lose weight, Weight Watchers can offer the structured support you may need. By tracking your food daily and weighing in weekly, you're encouraged to self-monitor and become aware of your choices. These skills can help you recognize problem areas and make healthier choices, leading to weight loss.

The plan is not for everyone though. For some people, constant tracking can lead to an unhealthy obsession with numbers. For others, the freedom to eat anything can almost feel paralyzing in their weight loss journey.

No matter what course of action you choose, remember that the best diet is the one you enjoy and that you can stick to for life.

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What Is Weight Watchers?

Weight Watchers is among the most widely-known commercial diets—globally—offering a program for weight loss. Its products and services include online and in-person weight loss support with its SmartPoints eating plan, FitPoints activity plan, and a mobile app that helps dieters track progress, plan meals, and track activity. Weight Watchers has been ranked the top commercial diet for seven years in a row by U. S. News & World Report and has several studies to back up the science.

Weight Watchers Today

So, Weight Watchers was named the 2017 Best Weight-Loss Diet by U.S. News & World Report. (Weight Watchers was named so by me in 1998, 2000, and 2004, but we'll get to that in a bit.) The 7th annual list includes nine sets of Best Diets rankings and Weight Watchers was first—or tied for first place—in almost half the categories and was a runner-up in the rest. And while Weight Watchers did not cut "Best Overall Diet"—The DASH Diet took that prize—it's arguably the world's most popular diet. Anyone who has ever been on a diet to lose weight, and been successful, has been on Weight Watchers. [1]

The beauty of Weight Watchers was, and is, that it works, and therein lies the irony: it works, and it doesn't. On Weight Watchers:

• You shed pounds.
• You're happy.
• You go off the diet.
• You regain the weight.
• You go back on a diet.
• You lose weight.
• You go off the diet.

Lather, rinse, repeat. It's a cycle and a pretty successful business model.

In a BBC story from several years ago, a former Weight Watchers finance executive admitted its business is based on repeat customers; people who fail to keep the weight off—an astonishing 84 percent—"have to come back and do it again. That's where your business comes from." But the company science officer rebuffed the claim, saying that was never the idea when it was founded in a Queens, New York, kitchen in the early 1960s by a plump housewife. [2]

And that leads us to the roots of one of the world's most popular diets.

The Birth of Weight Watchers

Maybe part of the reason Weight Watchers is so long-lived, so deep in our culture, is its beginnings. Weight Watchers was created by Jean Nidetch, a 1960s overweight housewife who was mistakenly taken for pregnant (ouch!). [3]

But right off the bat, millions could relate as a working woman, mother, and wife; trust was built-in, in my opinion. If a squad of scientists had come up with the concept, it might not have caught on. (Actually, several squadrons of white coat-clad scientists could never have come up with the secret to Weight Watchers, as you'll soon see).

Keep in mind, Nidetch's plan did come with science—though more in the form of common sense, some study, reflection, and calculation. Like we all do every day to keep our lives on track (plans, budgets, schedules, management; the CEO of the family). Jean didn't want to be fat and did every fad diet. She lost and gained, lost, and gained.

Weight Watchers: The Big Idea

Then after being on a diet recommended by health officials, Jean had an epiphany and figured out what would work. Her idea was to encourage women to combine then-relevant nutritional science with exercise, and that meant moving your body beyond the routine daily activities of a working mother (working is working, people. Most women have two, or more, jobs!).

Okay, we've got it: diet and exercise. But there was one more Nidetch ingredient, the one that made Weight Watchers what it became: a multi-billion-dollar global phenomenon.

Her idea? Weight Watchers meetings (the first one was in an NYC pizzeria!) where there was camaraderie, accountability, and support. The idea was simple yet inspired. A community, a fellowship, an alliance of weight-watchers in solidarity: we will lose weight together!

My Firsthand Experience

In my first experience with Weight Watchers, I lost 23 pounds in three months; I still feel proud of that today. I did my first go-round of Weight Watchers with my sister. She and I—with around twenty other women (and the occasional man)—met in a church basement on Saturday mornings. The Points system had recently been introduced, and for me, it worked. But the system was only as good as a weight watchers commitment to the group and responsibility to stand on that scale and share your embarrassments—and soon, your triumphs.

Nidetch had done something revolutionary but uncomplicated: weigh-ins, Weight Watchers swag, and gold stars on your log when you lost, and all with sisters with whom to vent and share, and with a meeting leader to inspire. Over the years, I have attended meetings with three different cheer-leading leaders; two were great, and one was just too much for me. If you've done Weight Watchers and attended meetings, maybe you know that leader, just too enthusiastic or too preachy. Anyway, I digress.

Weight Watchers Point System

Weight Watchers implemented a points system in the 1990s, where foods were given a numerical value based on nutritional profile. Depending on weight loss goals and stats—including weight, height, age, and gender—dieters are allotted a certain number of points per day and "spend" them on whatever foods they choose.

So then, how does Weight Watchers work? Starting from the beginning, the program included a particular eating system, and over the years, there have been several iterations. But the introduction of the original Weight Watchers Points system—currently referred to as SmartPoints—kicked the specifics into super-user-friendly. It came into being from Weight Watchers Limited in the United Kingdom, where two women invented, developed, and patented the Points system calculator. [4]

This was key. Using an algorithm that calculated calories, fats, proteins, and carbs, it would have a couple of iterations, too, as more was learned about nutrition and exercise science. But the underlying system, of counting foods as values based on diet, was genius then and it remains the cornerstone today.

Weight Watchers Beyond the Scale Program

The newest program, launched in 2016, is dubbed Beyond the Scale. Weight Watchers says it wants people to not diet per se, but adopt a Weight Watchers lifestyle:

Our proven program is not a diet. It's about living. Your best self isn't just about a magic number on the scale. It's about seeing food as fuel for a healthy life, finding ways to move more each day, and developing the skills to unlock your inner strength so you can make healthy choices for life. Yes, you will lose weight. But with Weight Watchers, you'll also gain a whole new perspective on getting—and staying—healthy.

Weight Watchers SmartPoints

The Weight Watchers SmartPoints system translates a food's nutritional information into a point value, and dieters are allotted several points (food values) per day.

The current program is pretty simple, in that every food has a value. SmartPoints are calculated based on calories, saturated fat, sugar, and protein. You adhere to your allotted points. There are no forbidden foods.

(And that phrase alone is for some the ah-ha! Moment and for others the arghh! Moment. For me it's the former, and one of my two issues with Weight Watchers, you'll soon read.)

But if you eat junk, your points will be consumed very quickly (what a waste), so it's better to eat the right foods and manage your points wisely. What's cool is Weight Watchers has thousands of recipes with SmartPoints values—and even if you're making something not listed in the recipe library, you can calculate the SmartPoints on the mobile app or the website.

Doing the Math on Points

Weight Watchers explains that it takes the complex nutritional information of a food and gives it a single number—the SmartPoints value—so people can make smarter food choices while eating the stuff they like to eat. Well, some of it anyway. Sign up with Weight Watchers, plug in some info, and you'll get your SmartPoints allotment. It's up to you how you use those points. And, each week you get bonus points—which, when I did Weight Watchers in my last go-round, I banked and then pigged out on Friday nights. Just Ben, Jerry, and me. Anyway, the idea of points is smart, easy, and doable.

Weight Watchers FitPoints

Previously known as Activity Points, FitPoints is the Weight Watchers physical activity tracking system; the more you exercise, the more you're able to eat.

So we have the "diet" part. Next? Get moving. And I mean not just parking further away from the store entrance. Get your heart rate up and keep it up with fat-burning, good-for-your-heart exercise. I swim (albeit not enough). You can walk, run, jog, row, climb, spin, bike, step, jump, skip, kick—you get the idea. You don't need a fancy, expensive piece of equipment or a gym membership (it would be cool, though); you just need to find the cardio exercise you enjoy and can afford. And do it at least 30 minutes every day—or at least most days of the week—as best as you can fit in your already ridiculously hectic life. Make it your time; take 30 minutes, put headphones on, and do it. And, it turns out, even during the most seemingly mundane of tasks, you earn FitPoints which you add to your total points for the day.

Sticking to Fit

FitPoints is also a smart idea. Let's say you have 34 points for the day, but you did some vigorous gardening, biked for 20 minutes, took the stairs, and walked the dog—you are rewarded with a few extra points and can enjoy that extra half-cup of whole grain penne with marinara (that you make yourself, hopefully). Weight Watchers explains it this way:

FIT is about getting back in touch with your body. We'll set you a FitPoints goal, and our team will help you stick to it. Straight away, you'll start to de-stress, perk up, and find more energy. The truth is, it won't be long 'til your body proves it can! [6]

Weight Watchers has several dozen videos, workouts, demos, fitness plans, and challenges. "Whether you have 4 minutes or an hour, you'll never run out of ideas." Sounds good, right? And all of this can be managed on a handy, popular app. [6]

Weight Watchers Mobile App Review

The Weight Watchers mobile app for smartphones and devices helps dieters to track weight loss progress, manage SmartPoints and FitPoints, shop for and plan meals and offers social networking with other members.

What makes this all doable if you don't have to do the math yourself; Smart Points and Fit Points are calculated on the Weight Watchers mobile app for your smartphone or another device (don't you love technology?). Every step you take, every bite you eat, kept track of. Now your head's in the game; you've got this.

The mobile app for Android has almost 200,000 reviews on Google Play with an overall rating of 4.1 stars. Reviewers find it easy to use, convenient, and it helps dieters stay on track. The app scans supermarket barcodes for Points values to help you better plan meals. |Fitness points are synced so your daily points allotment is up-to-the-minute. You can add to and learn from your recipe library, and what many loved is the ability to network and get social by posting images of progress, seeking out support 24/7, accessing online coaching, and connecting with other dieters. [7]

Similarly, on iTunes, more than 2,000 real people reviewed the current iteration of the app and gave it a close to 5 stars. Even the previous versions of the app—with 12,000 reviews—agreed it was active, easy to use, and helped Weight Watchers dieters keep track. [8]

And there's no shortage of reviews from tech bloggers and journalists. It's a winner.

What's Even More Appealing

On the Weight Watchers app, you can live chat with a coach and—for a lot of people who are focused on the fitness in the program and want a fuller health-tech experience—toggle to the Activity tab to your track activeness. And if you have an Apple Watch, wireless scales, and an activity tracker—like Up by Jawbone or Apple Health, for example—you can connect them to your Weight Watchers account. [9]

Weight Watchers Online

Weight Watchers' user-friendly, intuitive online tools help dieters get and stay on course and track their progress.

Along with Weight Watchers online, a virtual and brick-and-mortar support network (yes, there are still meetings, absolutely!) and the app, Weight Watchers products range from A to Z and the kitchen sink:

• food and drink including snacks, shakes, candies, bars, pasta, smoothies, even spices, and herbs
• kitchen gizmos and tools including scales, spiralizers, steamers, salad bowls, and shakers, as well as cookbooks
• lifestyle products that include accessories, scales, and apparel
• fitness-related items like FitBits, yoga mats, stretch bands, and myriad highly-rated workout DVDs for things like Pilates and yoga, and even kits for an exercise dance party and a punching workout.

The question is not, "what does Weight Watchers sell?" It's "what doesn't Weight Watchers sell?" [10]

How Much Does Weight Watchers Cost?

Weight Watchers costs in the neighborhood of $10 a week (not including any foods or products) for access to its online tools and meeting programs.

What does Weight Watchers cost? A little secret from me: Once you have done Weight Watchers, you know how to do Weight Watchers—so as some say, you can do it without paying. Oh, but there's a catch!

Remember I said that accountability, motivation, community, and support are the secrets to Weight Watchers? They still are. Weight Watchers itself—even in this day and age where everything is online—recommends the plan you go with is the one with meetings: "Meetings is where the magic happens."

I agree. (Note: I typed in my ZIP code and found 30-plus meetings within 15 miles of me) But whether you go to a meeting in person or do it online, it's still a community, and you are accountable, if to no one else but yourself.

So you pay. How much? It depends. If your timing is right, you won't pay to sign up because there are always freebies and specials. But, as of the fall of 2017, there are three plans:

• Weight Watchers Online Plus – which is the online-only program (the site is honestly great, folks) from $3.07 a week
• Weight Watchers Meetings – which includes all the online tools, Online Plus, and weekly meetings, from $6.92 a week
• Weight Watchers Coaching – which consists of a personalized program with personal coaching via phone or text, plus the Online Plus tools, from $8.46 a week

Remember though, it's a plan, and it's charged monthly, so read the fine print. Generally, though, for the basics, it's about $10 a week if you stick to your plan. Just read the fine print. It's not quantum calculus or anything, but you do need to understand how it works. [11]

Does Weight Watchers Work?

At this point, it's important to say that Weight Watchers works. It does. If you follow it. If you fall off the tracks, you just get back on. So if you're relatively religious about it, you can expect to lose 1 to 2 pounds a week.

When I did my first round with Weight Watchers, I lost 4 pounds the first week, and I have to tell you, I remember that day like it was yesterday. I stuck with it for 11 more weeks and ended up dropping 23 pounds. Then life happened and… Well, suffice it to say I gained it all back over a year, and that in part is the basis for one of my two objections to Weight Watchers, you'll soon read. But it can work for you. And it's not just me saying this; it's science saying it.

I love science. I'm not good at it, but I respect science and prefer it to magic, to fantasies, pseudoscience, and quackery, which is everywhere in the diet business. We chubbies will do anything, try anything, to lose weight! I can say that: I am still overweight (although I have been doing a good job rather lately of eating better and exercising more and lost 20 pounds in the past year on my own "diet," so there!). So I'm going to give you the rock-solid science on Weight Watchers.

Weight Watchers Science

It's likely no diet has been the subject of more academic study and research, with results published in you-name-it medical and scientific journals. None that I have found seem to have an agenda; they're just studies to prove, or disprove. Just the facts and the facts are that Weight Watchers ticks most of the good boxes—most being the operative word there. But I'll get to that when I give you my bottom line, so hold on.

The American Journal of Medicine

In the meantime, I'm putting your thinking caps on you, starting with a study published in 2013 in The American Journal of Medicine which found Weight Watchers was far more effective as a weight loss program than a do-it-yourself diet, which is how most of us diet. The study found that

…use of the WW program yielded significantly more significant weight loss than a self-help approach, suggesting it is a viable community-based provider of weight loss treatment, as recommended by the US Preventive Services Task Force. Further, high usage of 3 access modes was associated with more significant weight loss results. [12]

In other words, the meetings, the online support, the App, all make a big difference. I'm not sure that's so surprising. It's what made Weight Watchers an excellent diet, to begin with; it takes a village to diet successfully.

The Lancet

British journal The Lancet published a 2011 study which followed several hundred people for a year; half on a diet recommended by their doctor and the other half on Weight Watchers. The majority of the participants on Weight Watchers stuck to the diet and lost twice as much weight as the doctor-diet group. [13]

American Diabetes Association

Finally, the American Diabetes Association has studied Weight Watchers and found that meeting attendance combined with an emphasis on healthy eating—including veggies, fruit, and high-fiber, low trans-fat foods—makes it a good commercial diet choice with better, and healthier, results. [14] [15]

Weight Watchers Celebrity Endorsements

How about Weight Watchers reviews? A picture is worth a thousand words, and for me, the before-and-after of performer Jennifer Hudson is all you need to see to know Weight Watchers works. She lost 80 pounds. And though she ended her relationship with the company after about four years, she lost the equivalent weight of a healthy 10-year-old and said in interviews that Weight Watchers changed her life. [16] [17]

The Duchess of York Sarah Ferguson, Lynn Redgrave, Jessica Simpson, Jenny McCarthy… And the biggest name of all, Oprah Winfrey, who not only endorses Weight Watchers, she bought ten percent of the company. If that's not an endorsement, I'm not sure what is. What each of these has in common, too, is that all successfully lost quite a bit of weight on Weight Watchers, and in the case of most—if not all—have kept the weight off, in some cases for years.

Regular People Reviews

But what about ordinary people? The most candid and compelling review I located was posted on SparkPeople.com by "WannaBeHealthy51" who explained that she lost 86 pounds on Weight Watchers in 1997 and then life got in the way and she stopped going to meetings. (Sounds familiar.)

I didn't learn how to maintain my loss and just (did it to myself) went back to eating whatever, and you can guess, I gained it all back. Then a few years ago, I pulled out all of my WW material and lost about 36 pounds and was feeling fantastic, but didn't stick with it and gained it back with a few friends. Bummer. So my humble opinion on WW, I believe it works great if you stick with it." [18]

She said while on Weight Watchers she ate a lot of high-fiber foods, a lot of vegetables, lean meats and fish, light bread, fruit and drank a lot of water.

"So I'm going to try to follow it again and hope for the best! I would like to lose 76 pounds. [18]

I know this woman. I am this woman. And so are 84 percent of Weight Watchers, if you believe the company's former finance director.

Weight Watchers Charms

The wizardry of Weight Watchers isn't precisely magic; rather nutrition and exercise science. But trinkets, tools, and excellent old-fashioned customer service help the spell work.

The allure, or Weight Watchers charms, are many. I loved the gadgets and many I still have, including the old Points slide thingamajig. Back in the day, free recipe cards and cookbooks, coupons, and trinkets to help remind me that I was accountable; a key chain, pocket guide, measuring cup, and non-toxic plastic water bottle with Weight Watchers emblazoned on it—those little talismans made a difference. And when my then 15-year-old daughter and I did Weight Watchers together several years back online, she decided it wasn't for her and wanted out. She had no problem canceling, and she said Weight Watchers customer service was excellent. I have never dealt with them, but my daughter's experience was excellent—and trust me, she's a tough customer.

Is Weight Watchers Worth a Try?

If you haven't done Weight Watchers, try it. If you follow the diet religiously—and it is very doable—you absolutely will lose weight, usually in the neighborhood of a pound or two a week. The tricky part is keeping the weight off once you've met your goal. But hopefully, the habits learned while on Weight Watchers will stick. With Weight Watchers, you can't lose. I mean you can, you can lose.

Two Biggest Problems With Weight Watchers

In 1978, Nidetch sold Weight Watchers to R. J. Heinz Company (yes, of fructose-rich ketchup fame) for $78 million. I suppose that was a smart move on her part and made her filthy rich. Heinz is a mega-food producer and one of the kings of processed foods, and while it sold most of Weight Watchers to a European entity about 17 years ago, it still produces Weight Watchers packaged foods under the Weight Watchers label and Smart One's brand. [19] [20]

My issue: processed foods with modified or chemically-changed foods, or foods robbed of nutrients, or those with added artificial ingredients for flavor—especially sugars, sodium, and saturated fats—are the worst thing we can eat besides fast food. And I am here to tell you, I ate my share and then some of those so-called Smart One's frozen pepperoni pizzas, and I did not do myself any favors.

So go on, try Weight Watchers. But please buy and prepare your meals using fresh whole foods. Real food. Do not buy their crap (Sorry, Oprah). Listen, I'm just honest. It's junk. And it's not only unhealthy—processed and refined foods could be sabotaging your efforts to lose weight.

And finally, since loss-gain-return, loss-gain-return is the cycle for the vast majority of people on Weight Watchers—and the money-counters hope you do keep coming back—consider this a word to the wise. If you know that sustainability is going to be a problem for you, and it likely will be, then try and change your lifestyle rather than just diet, as I've quoted Weight Watchers suggesting. (I know; they are speaking out of both sides of their mouth).

If you try Weight Watchers and gain the weight back, you are not a failure. Don't punish yourself. I'm still thinking about those 23 pounds.

So, yes, Weight Watcher is worth a try, if you are one of the really smart ones who does not buy into the product line and works to maintain your weight loss. Trust me on this, sisters. (And brothers; I know you're out there!)

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What Engine Did The General Lee Have

What Engine Did The General Lee Have

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◊ 2004-12-22 18:42

Quelle ligne!

Seul point negatif,le drapeau sur le toit!

A part ca super caisse exelent moteur (420 ch!envi

Mercutio

◊ 2005-01-17 22:01

Il s'agit de la DODGE charger 1969 ! un monstre de puissance ! Pas muscle car pour rien la b�te !

jul_29

◊ 2005-06-24 18:35

moteur 426 HEMI

stronghold

◊ 2005-12-27 19:45

Pics from eps.1.1

-- Last edit: 2014-10-13 18:54:50 (taco)

Jaqob P.

◊ 2006-01-03 01:59

Com on, this has to be 5 stars, I mean this is the General Lee!

antp

◊ 2006-01-03 10:03

Yes, for the 2005 movie it had 5 stars, I do not know why here it only got 4

Jaqob P.

◊ 2006-01-03 18:51

thx

stronghold

◊ 2006-01-03 19:32

From a short film on the DVD box set .. there is info on the General Lee ... and it says the car is a Dodge Charger R/T 440 (..Not a 426 hemi) ...it also says... Zero to 60mph in 6 seconds and a top speed of 157mph.!

-- Last edit: 2006-01-10 00:43:06

stronghold

◊ 2006-01-09 00:12

From episode 8,11 & 13

-- Last edit: 2014-10-13 18:55:16 (taco)

stronghold

◊ 2006-01-10 00:42

The following 5 pictures are from the dvd extra's.!

-- Last edit: 2014-10-13 18:56:08 (taco)

stronghold

◊ 2006-01-10 00:44

moparguy1973

◊ 2006-06-15 01:03

"stronghold" is correct when he said "the" General Lee has a 440. Although the show never actually said what the General had in it, it was never even implied that it had a Hemi. And in one episode ("Happy Birthday, General Lee"), they show the motor that was supposed to be in the car, and it's a big-block wedge motor, either a 383 or a 440, but most certainly NOT a Hemi. In reality, most of the stunt cars were 318 cars, with a handful of 383s and 440s thrown in. And before anyone starts thowing out figures on how many cars they used, there were 229 cars total, 19 survived after filming wrapped up in 1985. I got this straight out of "Enos's" mouth, as the actor who portrays him, Sonny Shroyer, lives in my hometown. Even the "close-up" cars that the actors actually drove were both 383s. And according to the General Lee fan club, who found and saved the very first General Lee, the first General was originally just a 383 2-barrel base-model Charger, not an R/T 440 or an SE.

qwerty_86

◊ 2006-06-15 06:39

Yeah, I saw that episode. The black car that was to be the General looked pretty basic. I think it even had a column-shift automatic.

trucker

◊ 2006-07-16 00:31

I thought that R/T's are supposed to have 440 horsepower.

Firebird86

◊ 2006-07-16 00:49

you have confused cubic inches with horsepower!

stronghold

◊ 2006-07-16 00:55

..440 is the cubic inches ...not the BHP.! ...440ci is 7210cc (the Hemi 426ci is 6981cc).
From what i've read (lots of books.!!) the 440ci engine was a much better..more reliable engine than the 426ci.
Quoted horsepower for the 440 is usually around 390bhp & the hemi rates at 425bhp.
On paper the hemi is more powerful ...but on the street ..is it a better performer.? (..I've not owned one of these ...so i'll let someone with more 'on-hand' experience comment on that.!)

-- Last edit: 2006-07-16 00:56:41

trucker

◊ 2006-07-16 03:07

Don't get me aggravated son!

Andrew426

◊ 2006-07-16 08:05

The general lee was portrayed as having a 383 cubic inch V8 engine (4-bbl version rated at 335 hp), backed up by a Torqflite A-727 automatic transmission.
The 440 magnum was rated at 375hp (the 440 sixpack was 390hp, but wasnt available on chargers till 1970)

Just thought Id clear a few things up.

Firebird86

◊ 2006-07-17 07:48

Why Not ????????????

trucker

◊ 2006-07-23 02:35

There's no reason for imitation.

trucker

◊ 2006-07-23 02:37

In the episode the Dukes meet Cale Yarlbrough, they used a 1969 White Dodge Charger with a computerized engine adding a little nitrous to it. I wonder what's the top speed of that White Charger?

trucker

◊ 2006-07-23 02:39

They also say that there were 339 General Lee's used in the season, but only 19 or 20 survived.

Gag Halfrunt

◊ 2006-07-23 02:45

I went on the Warner Bros studio tour in 1998 and sitting in a garage was what the tour guide said was the last remaining General Lee. Presumably it wasn't the fan club's one, but perhaps it was the last one still owned by Warner Bros.

stronghold

◊ 2006-07-23 03:16

...Nitrous can make a hell of a difference.! (..an episode of Top Gear proved this point very well .. pitting an old Jaguar XJS ...firstly without Nitrous (...then with Nitrous) against some of the worlds fastest cars.
With it's first run... It was virtually left standing ... but with Nitrous on it's second run ..it could beat ALL the new Supercars.!

Nightrider

◊ 2006-07-23 08:43

HEMI was built especially for NASCAR (reason,why it's just 426 ci),and 440 for MOPAR fullsizes.

Delta Fox

◊ 2006-08-26 02:10

That thing got a Hemi?

BA DA DA DA DA DA DA DA DA DA DA DUM!

dwc43

◊ 2006-10-22 08:54

The 426 Hemi was underated for insurance purposes. It dynoed between 489 to 511 hp depending on which year and which cam was in it. It would stomp a 440 on the top end as well as anything else that Ford or gm put out. Just wonder why all the Ford and gm Funny car and Top Fuel cars run Hemi's instead of there own engines?

GENERAL LEE

◊ 2006-10-23 02:51

i dont care what the General Lee had in the show, mine's got a 605 cubic inch Racing Hemi. Lets see the Double Zero beat that!

stronghold

◊ 2006-10-23 09:05

..Well i'm affraid in the imaginary world of Television ...The General was unbeatable & indestructable .... you can't beat it ...whatever you've got.!!

moparguy1973

◊ 2006-11-27 06:05

You guys want the final word on Chargers, engine sizes and rated horsepower? I have owned 4 1969 Dodge Chargers, 2 of which were R/Ts, as well as countless other Mopars, so I should know (I currently have a Roadrunner, a Charger SE, a Charger R/T, and a base model Charger). The 1969 Charger could have come with the 383 2-barrel (280-300 horse), the 383 4-barrel (335 horse), and the R/T would have had a 440 4-barrel (375 horse), or the 426 2x4-barrel Hemi (425 horse). The Hemi was still the king, but the 440 would hang with it for a while, but the Hemi did require constant tuning to keep the carburetors is sinc and the valves adjusted, as it still had mechanical lifters in 1969 (they started putting in hydraulic lifters in 1970). The 390 horsepower designation is for the 440 Six Pack, which became available for the Chargers in 1970. No matter what anyone says there are NO factory 1969 440 Six Pack Chargers. The Six-pack was available for 1969, but only in the A12-coded, fiberglass hood Super Bee and Road Runner. As I stated before, according to "Enos" Sonny Shroyer, there were 229 Generals total. 19 survived, 17 were sold, WB kept 2, a running car and the sound stage car. One of them is a 1969, the other is actually a 1968 made to look like a 1969. I am not sure which is which. Arguments?

Andrew426

◊ 2006-12-26 05:12

It was also available with the 318 v8 (standard) and the 225 six (a credit option)

moparguy1973

◊ 2006-12-30 06:14

Andrew426, that is true they could have come with the 318 or 225...my guess is most of the 89,000 sold that year had the 318. The 225 Slant Six in a 1969 Charger is actually a rare find, most were V-8s. And most people out there have already swapped them for big-blocks...Not that they are bad engines...my 1990 318-powered Ram had 258,000 miles on it when I sold it, and the motor had never been into. And my 1975 Plymouth Scamp, Slant Six, of course, is still running like a top 31 years later...

gliffhanger

◊ 2007-01-03 00:20

gliffhanger

◊ 2007-01-05 15:47

gliffhanger

◊ 2007-02-19 12:45

Ipm427Yenko

◊ 2007-05-04 17:14

The general lee was portrayed as having a 383 cubic inch V8 engine (4-bbl version rated at 335 hp), backed up by a Torqflite A-727 automatic transmission.

Quote Quoted horsepower for the 440 is usually around 390bhp
The 440 magnum was rated at 375hp (the 440 sixpack was 390hp, but wasnt available on chargers till 1970)

actually u could get a 440-6 on a 69 charger. im only 14 and i knew tht

moparguy1973

◊ 2007-05-06 03:54

The 1969 Charger WAS NOT available with the 440 Six-Pack, the only 1969 cars available with this motor are the A-12 coded Roadrunners and Super Bees, no Chargers. Not until 1970, when the 440 Six-Pack was available on pretty much any car in the line up, from Chargers to Sport Fury GTs.

Gliffhanger

◊ 2007-07-12 21:34

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antp

◊ 2007-07-12 22:38

doesn't these pics look too flat for you?

car nerd

◊ 2007-07-12 23:53

Back in the mid-1980's Warner Bros. had a full-size General Lee Charger replica perched on the side of the studio wall on top of a billboard for the Dukes of Hazzard TV show. It was one of the first things I remember seeing when I moved to Burbank.

American_Muscle

◊ 2007-11-17 16:39

605?? wtf kind of motor is that?

Juanjo Duke

◊ 2007-11-24 00:41

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-- Last edit: 2007-11-24 00:53:44

durango95

◊ 2008-02-24 22:16

"fuel: moonshine."

i guess me and the general here have something in common.

Skid

◊ 2008-04-08 07:33

That's something that car guys...especially Mopar guys...will likely argue over until the end of time.

The problem is, Chrysler built Hemi cars in a poor state of tune, for reasons unknown. But it was always known (and proven many times over today) that switching to colder spark plugs, significantly advancing the timing (30-35 degrees), and rejetting the caruburators resulted in HUGE horsepower gains, and as much as a full second in the quarter mile...plus fix the Hemi's horrible habit of burning plugs.

As a result of the poor state of tune Hemis were delivered in, many times stock 440 cars were quicker. But here's where it gets tricky...many dealers KNEW about the horsepower gains that could result from basic tinkering, and would perform these tricks to their cars on delivery, prior to sale (the infamous Norman "Mr. Norm" Kraus, who sold a large percentage of all the Hemi cars manufactured, allegedly did this to every Hemi he sold).

So lining up against a Hemi car back in the day was something of a crap shoot...it could be a low 14 second (1320) factory car with a choppy idle and soft throttle response, or it could be a hard-running street killer, capable of burning the factory bias plies to the tune of 13 seconds flat.

Of course, once you got into real modifications, Hemis were very responsive. The television series "American Musclecar" not long ago did a dyno test of a Hemi that was mostly stock, save for a 0.60 overbore, a factory Race Hemi camshaft, and modern Holley carburators in place of the old Carter AFBs...it made 820 horsepower at the crank.

-- Last edit: 2008-04-08 07:33:37

NG

◊ 2008-04-17 21:52

Its funny to see how much you guys really think you know about this car. First and formost, the car on the billboard is infact a real general lee that was retired. No Hemi car was ever used in the entire run of the show. there were NOT 330+ Chargers used for the series. In 1998, there were TWO actual General Lee's left from the series. One "hero" car and one rough stunt car. There are 17 fully documented General Lee Chargers that are privatly owned, and chances are, that if you know somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody who used to have a real one from the show, they are full of crap.. The "First" General Lee that is mentioned earlier in this thread is not fully the "FIRST" general lee. It was what was LEFT of the first GL, rebodied on to another charger, and is for sale right now for 7 figures. It is not owned by this "General Lee fan club" that was mentioned. The idiot that runs (or should I say USED TO RUN)) that club is a lying idiot. This LEE 1 is privatly owned as well, resides in FLorida, and will probably go to the first person that hands over the cool milliion that they want for it. dont get your hopes up, pretty much everything that made it authentic has been replaced, so it is nothing more than a mere replica. LOL, and, NO..the Charger was not optioned with a 6 pack in 1969.

moparguy1973

◊ 2008-06-02 02:40

Actually, Lee 1 WAS owned by Travis Bell, head of the North American General Lee fan club. He and Gary Schneider found the car in Georgia in 2000, and went back and bought it, all smashed up and rusty, in 2001. At that time it was still painted like the #71 car, the "wrecked Richard Petty car" from the fourth episode "Repo Men". Then later the car was sold to Marvin Murphy, a noted collector from Florida. He and Mr. Bell are the ones who decided to have the car restored. And although a lot of the car was replaced, they replicated it as close as humanly possible to the way it was before it was jumped. It even still retains it's original glass, motor, trans, and rear end (center section).

BeauEvil

◊ 2008-07-21 09:09

Genuine Wolo 430 Dixieland air horn sets just like the General Lee.

http://proudrebel.com/rebel/rebauto.htm

I've looked at the Faqs and can find no problem with posting a commerical link. Administrators, notify me if this is a problem.

cajunknight0153

◊ 2008-09-16 15:38

does anyone know where to find some good pics of the 4x4 General Lee from "Arrest Jesse Duke"?

HunterMan

◊ 2009-03-11 21:38

Sonny Shroyer might have said once that there were around 229 Chargers used during the course of the show, but on the First Season DVD extras all of the cast (with the exception of Tom Wopat and those who had since passed away) was at the 20th Anniversary Hazzard Barbecue. This question was brought up and all the cast,

including Sonny, had guesses--and I don't remember Shroyer's being this number. But, from all the guesses thrown out Ben Jones ("Cooter") stated that he knew the true number even though over the years people have said numbers ranging from 200-400. Straight from "Cooter's" mouth, Jones stated as a fact there were exactly 309 Chargers used during the seven seasons the show aired. Most of the Chargers were true 69's but there were some 68's modified to look like 69's. Even though most of the Chargers probably didn't have the 440, I think you were supposed to assume and/or think the General Lee did.

In reality...each person probably thinks they're truly accurate on the number of Chargers used. You would think actual actors from the show would know...but they each differ as well. Even the post above this has a different number of cars left over after the show was done--someone says there were 19, another says 17. Who really knows anymore?? The only reason I tend to believe Ben Jones, is that in the interview he was very technical and factual and did not act like it was a guess or estimate. He stated that there were exactly 309 cars used over the course of the show.

-- Last edit: 2009-03-11 22:00:24

Skywatcher68

◊ 2009-08-28 18:53

An original General Lee, with authenticity supported by John Schneider and George Barris, is one of the vehicles being auctioned at the Petersen Museum next month.

www.rmauctions.com/FeatureCars-RW.cfm?SaleCode=RW09&CarID=r026&fc=0

-- Last edit: 2009-08-28 18:53:27

moparguy1973

◊ 2009-09-28 00:22

Here's an update to my previous post about the number of General Lees. I read an article about the building of the original Generals, here's what it said; Warner Bros. built the first and some of the second season Generals, after which it was sub-contracted out to the Veluzat Bros. movie car business. Warner built 80 Chargers. The Veluzats built 229. Which gives us a total of 309. 19 survived after filming ended. 17 of the 19 were sold off to fans through a shell company set up by Wayne Wooten (The Dodge Charger Registry founder) and his lawyers. The article said this was done to limit Warner's liability. Warner kept 2 of the cars, one close-up car and the soundstage car. Keith Winfree, one of the lucky to end up with a "real" General wrote a pretty cool story that can be seen here: http://pages.prodigy.net/tcwinfk/general.html .

HunterMan

◊ 2009-10-08 05:06

This makes sense and explains how there were 309 Chargers used. Awesome story by Keith Winfree about his General---I'm jealous! LOL! Wonder what happened to the others...do those people still have them and were they restored?

Dukefan69

◊ 2010-01-24 19:24

I talked to Ben Jones (Cooter) about the General lee's he said that he used to frequently talk to the Mechanics and there were exactly 309 Chargers, some column shifts, some slap sticks, some 318 cars some 383 cars and a few 440 cars, they used both '69 and '68 chargers.

Dukefan69

◊ 2010-01-24 20:43

Also they used base models, SE's, and R/T's, not just R/T's

outlaw

◊ 2010-05-28 03:49

DWC43 is right about the Hemi being understated for insurance purposes. Did anyone see Hot Rod TV on Speed Channel? They had an entire episode dynoing ALL the old muscle car engines. Stock bore, stroke, valves, cam, etc. The Hemi layed around 800hp. Granted this is to the flywheel not to the ground, but still way more than they ever claimed it to be.

outlaw

◊ 2010-05-28 03:52

Is it true the General Lee was actually Hugger Orange?

ALL CON 3 BOYZ

◊ 2010-06-01 13:03

hey dodge charger general lee is one sick ride i am geting one 4 my self i am going to buy one general lee up in the mainland i am from maui hawaii aloha

MoparFan88

◊ 2010-08-13 03:26

@ moparguy1973 Actually, there was one way I know of that you could get a 440 Six Pack in a '69 Charger back then. I've read that if one were friends with a dealer, they could get the dealer to swap out engines with one of the Roadrunners and Superbees you mentioned.

HunterMan

◊ 2011-01-23 04:20

Yeah, that's pretty much been discussed. There were all kinds and/or models of 68 and 69 Chargers used on the show. All were modified to be the General Lee. Sometimes you'll notice the R/T on the General's left-side headlight grill cover...other times you don't. There were even different colored dashboards and steering wheels. There were the beige or tan ones like I sort of mostly remember, but sometimes the dash and steering wheels were black too. Sometimes the steering wheels had that separate chrome piece attatched to them in the middle (the horn??), and others did not. Some dashes had cracks and the steering wheels were (as Rosco would say ) pretty scuffed up. Other dashboards and steering wheels were in better condition. Besides the changing color, once in a while you'll notice different styles of steering wheels as well.

Back then not that many people, especially kids, seemed to notice things like that. You just went with it and enjoyed the episode. Now days, everyone is into finding the "goofs" and mistakes of everything. Sometimes it's funny or interesting to have those quirks pointed out...other times it sort of ruins the original impression you had from it. But, I refuse to let the inconsistancies of the General Lee ruin the "Dukes" for me! The car, characters, and the series itself will always be one of the best and awesome shows in TV history! Long live "The Dukes of Hazzard" and the General Lee!

Lee Richards

◊ 2011-02-06 16:41

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Privateer

◊ 2011-03-13 04:05

Maybe someone can answer me this question:
Is it true that some of the General Lee stunt cars were actually 1968 Chargers with taillights replaced and other camoflage?

nznascarfan

◊ 2011-04-26 03:12

Nightrider

◊ 2011-07-05 23:16

I think that Charger can't hold 8 passengers. Only if three of the would be in the trunk.

cycolac fan

◊ 2011-11-22 14:30

Not just some of the stunt cars were '68s, I've got photos of '68 Chargers being used as beauty cars too, or at least having '68 front fenders with circular parking lights.

somename

◊ 2012-01-10 01:54

First General Lee to be auctioned at Barrett-Jackson

mike962

◊ 2012-08-31 20:52

in 2.23 the Charger was all green

mike962

◊ 2012-09-04 17:55

anyone ever dreamed of a giant 80s cross over movie ?? with

- General Lee Charger
- A-Team van
- KITT
- GMC Sierra from "The Fall Guy"
- Coyote from "Hardcastle and McCormik"
- Corvette C1 and Sikorsky S-58 from "Riptide"
- Street Hawk bike

and as backup Airwolf and the 79 St. Regis of TJ Hooker and 78 Monaco of Hunter

would have been pure awesomeness but seems nobody back then came up with this idea

-- Last edit: 2012-09-04 17:59:29

mike962

◊ 2012-11-02 15:53

black General Lee 5.11

Airborne Alf

◊ 2013-02-12 07:50

I can't get the link to work... I love the General. No matter what people say or show inconsistent about it. I grew up watching it and will always watch it. If anybody has a link to the story by Keith Winfree, I'd really love to give it a read.

carfan2

◊ 2013-02-12 08:15

are ypu really that much of an idiot !!

mr.mopar69

◊ 2013-05-18 05:22

I thought that the Duke boys used a stock charger & not an R/T. I distinctively remember seeing a close up of the rear end in one episode & you can clearly see the outline and shading of the word 'charger' between the tail lights. If it was an R/T, it should of had an R/T badge outline there. The badge was removed for obvious reasons, but you could still see the exact placement.

cudak888

◊ 2013-10-02 02:34

A clapped-out, but absolutely original series-era Lee at the Dezer Collection in North Miami, complete with dented quarter, fiberglassed front fender corner, bashed grille from the pushbar, chopped-off door lock knobs (to prevent the actors from hurting themselves upon window entry), and rollbar. Probably one of the Warner-licensed cars from the final batch:

-Kurt

CRAFT372

◊ 2017-01-05 05:06

The origins of the car https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfK5HAZFk40

CanesBart

◊ 2017-01-22 05:02

They used a lot of 'em, and paint jobs didnt seem to matter much:

Baube

◊ 2017-01-22 05:07

i'd take all of them....

chicomarx

◊ 2017-08-14 23:14

Is the main even a real screenshot? Still the one from 2004.

Change to one of Gliffhanger's or wait for better?

night cub

◊ 2017-08-15 01:22

Wait for better. I have them on DVDs if we need, but they are at home, and I'm still away.

winnabago

◊ 2017-11-28 03:06

:LOL :LOL:

HunterMan

◊ 2019-10-23 02:54

I think they had multiples of stock & R/Ts...I remember seeing an R/T a couple times on the front left headlight grill, other times you didn�t see it. 309 Chargers (of both 68 & 69s) were customized and turned into the General Lee over the course of the series. I think the General was supposed to be the R/T 440, but that wasn�t always seen on every Charger�it wasn�t necessarily brought up specifically in the show.

BingleBongle

◊ 2020-07-18 17:27

What Engine Did The General Lee Have

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